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Post by Wilhelm Von Rhomboid on 17th November 2009, 1:36 pm

Many of us on here make our own bread, be it by hand or by breadmaker (or in a chicken brick!), so this is the thread for all bread-making tips, questions, discussions et al.

To kick off with, my number one tip for breadmaker users is: when your breadmaker is new, make 2 or 3 photocopies of each page of the recipe booklet, and get one set laminated and put the others in a safe place with the booklet and guarantee etc.
Over time the booklet gets grease stained, water splashed, pages stuck together and generally becomes illegible. Whilst I can remember the quantities for the 2 loaves I make on a daily basis, I always have to consult it for any of the others, and even for different sizes of the same loaf. And breadmakers, I have found, tend to be rather unforgiving of quantitative error.

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Post by Akuma on 17th November 2009, 2:05 pm

Top tip Billy! A breadmaker is on my christmas list, and DH bought a laminator just last week so I shall do as you suggest if I get the breadmachine Very Happy

I dunno what I do wrong but I've yet to make a loaf by hand that doesn't get fed to to birds Sad and even they sometimes ignore it Laughing
so I thought I'd try my luck with a machine instead!

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Post by Adrian on 17th November 2009, 2:43 pm

I think that the main problem people have with making bread by hand is over complicating the ingredients and not kneading enough - for that matter not developing a good kneading rhythm either.

I make a loaf every two days for us and have over the years refined the Delia white basic to a point where I can use it for any type of bread, I think that the trick is mixing your hot water, yeast and sugar together and letting it activate and froth up before adding to the flour - since I started doing that, I have not had one loaf failure, I get lots of air bubbles and therefore a good crumb in the loaf.

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Post by Akuma on 23rd November 2009, 12:59 pm

Anyone got a breadmaker? Dh said I can have one for christmas but I can't decide between the Panasonic SD255 and the Kenwood BM450.

I know the Panasonic is popular but then again Kenwood's a good brand too.....

Help!!

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Post by Jaded Green on 23rd November 2009, 6:50 pm

We've got a very cheap and cheerful Morphy Richards. It replaced the one we had (a pass on) that broke. We looked at Panasonic, but went with what we knew 'cos it was cheaper and we were satisfied
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Post by Compostwoman on 23rd November 2009, 6:52 pm

Panasonic 255 here......replaced another panasonic we had mucho use out of ( we make all our own bread, bread products etc here)

I have had a number of other makes in the last 14 years but only the panasonic consistantly makes good bread and lasts the use we give it.

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Post by AngelinaJellyBeana on 23rd November 2009, 8:22 pm

I'd go straight for the Panasonic ifI were you. I got the Kenwood originally as it was fairly cheap and I didn't want to spend too much if I found I wasn't going to use it very much. Well, it's fine but I found after using it quite a lot the blade stuck in the loaf every time, sometimes it didn't quite rise enough and there were little niggles. Then others were talking about the Panasonic and a couple of months ago I got one as it was reduced on Amazon and it's soooo much better.
One problem with the Kenwood is the display is right on the top and if you are short (like me) once you have the breadmaker on the worktop it's really hard to see the display (I had to stand on a chair Embarassed ). The display on the Panasonic is much easier to see
There's nothing actually "wrong" with the Kenwood, but the Panasonic is tons better
I'm going to give the Kenwood to my DD, once I can get it to Derby, it will be fine for her.
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Post by Wilhelm Von Rhomboid on 23rd November 2009, 9:15 pm

I don't think Kenwood make anything particularly well.

We are Panasonic 255 people as well and I have only good things to say about it. Have tried various machines before without really satisfactory results. Have yet to have a duff loaf from the Panasonic.

Could this thread be usefully folded into the existing Breadmaking thread perhaps?

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Post by Compostwoman on 23rd November 2009, 9:16 pm

Gosh, is there one? I missed it... Embarassed sorry Oh yes...I have found it now... Rolling Eyes Embarassed again..sorry!

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Post by Wilhelm Von Rhomboid on 23rd November 2009, 9:36 pm

Admittedly the other one is a little cryptically titled. I couldn't find a way of stickyifying threads.
If we can merge them I will retitle the combined one '... The Breadmaking Thread'

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Post by senseofjoy on 23rd November 2009, 9:47 pm

Another Panasonic fan here - we got our SD255 about 3 months ago on the strength of recommendations - and I have not bought a single loaf of bread since! My OH says frequently that it was the best £78 we've ever spent! I got mine from a website called something like 'kitchen magic' and that was the best price anywhere at the time. If you possibly can afford it, I'd go for it - you won't regret it!
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Post by Akuma on 23rd November 2009, 10:23 pm

Panasonic 255 it is then! Very Happy

Thank you all for steering me in the right direction, I shall let DH know and hopefully I should be turning out tasty bread in the new year!

Billy, good idea to merge the threads.....ummm.....any idea how to?!

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Post by Compostwoman on 23rd November 2009, 11:32 pm

Wilhelm Von Rhomboid wrote:Admittedly the other one is a little cryptically titled. I couldn't find a way of stickyifying threads.
If we can merge them I will retitle the combined one '... The Breadmaking Thread'

No..my bad...not your fault at all...I just forgot there was a thread already...

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Post by Akuma on 24th November 2009, 7:54 pm

I think it might be Badger as he's the mod.....he'll be the man to merge the threads. I shall go and ask!

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Post by Aberlemno on 28th November 2009, 8:44 am

I've got no work-top space for a breadmaker, and so still make our bread by hand. It doesn't take that long and my main thought in favour of non-machine bread is you can make a much bigger loaf, or a totally different-shaped loaf such as a plaited loaf, or a farmhouse with a "topknot". My favourite bread flour is Bacheldre Mill - I have never made a bad loaf with that.http://www.bacheldremill.co.uk/

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Post by senseofjoy on 28th November 2009, 10:19 am

I love Bacheldre Mill flour too.......a couple of years ago when we were staying in Wales we happened to drive past, so called in to have a look. It was a miserable november day, but the guy who is running it was really lovely, let us have a quick look round and then opened up their little shop specially so I could stock up on flour! smitten
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Post by Guest on 9th January 2010, 3:59 pm

Wilhelm Von Rhomboid wrote:Breadmakers, I have found, tend to be rather unforgiving of quantitative error.

Yep, I found that - it's one of the reasons I freecycled my breadmaker and now just make bread by hand.
During my year in Naaaaaaaaaaaarfark I got really pretty damned good at making my own breads.

What ingredients are folk using for their 'basic' bread ?

I use Allinsons Premium White Bread Flour:
http://www.allinsonflour.co.uk/products/premium-white-very-strong-bread-flour.html
Mainly because it's often on 'special offer' and it always gives good results.
I use the cheapest dried milk I can find (sadly it's usually Te$co Value !)
And I've never been refused free yeast from any bakery or s*permarket bread counter.

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Post by Adrian on 9th January 2010, 4:55 pm

When we left the UK I gave my breadmaker to my sister and learned how to do it by hand. I used a many times refined version of Delias simple white loaf.

I get a lovely local stoneground heritage wholewheat flour which makes for a nice crusty loaf. Given up on tins and we just have cottage style now. (though I do hanker after an antique Hovis bread tin that leaves the word on the side of the loaf - I'm a sentimental bugger you see.

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Post by vwalker99999 on 9th January 2010, 8:13 pm

Our bread maker is a Zojirushi whose model number I don't know because it is in the kitchen and I am not. It most closely resembles this model but is at least a few generations older. Mom bought it 10, or maybe even 15 years ago, when my father was still alive. It's a good machine, makes a fine loaf of bread, but it's desperately underused. Although I love a good yeasty loaf as much as the next fella... I just don't eat that much bread on a daily basis to warrant making one. Maybe one day I'll really put it to good use...

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Post by Wilhelm Von Rhomboid on 9th January 2010, 8:25 pm

Without bread, no breadcrumbs. Without breadcrumbs, no stuffing.

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Post by Sparhawk on 9th January 2010, 8:31 pm

Wilhelm Von Rhomboid wrote:Without bread, no breadcrumbs. Without breadcrumbs, no stuffing.

(ancient proverb)

So would it be sufficient to give my boss a slice of bread instead of a verbal answer when he asks me to work overtime... Wink

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Post by vwalker99999 on 10th January 2010, 1:32 pm

Wilhelm Von Rhomboid wrote:Without bread, no breadcrumbs. Without breadcrumbs, no stuffing.

(ancient proverb)

I understand, truly I do. Life is somehow less without good bread. It's just that I most often find myself using up my tummy space on something other people use up frozen apple slices to make room for.... when forced to make a choice... MEAT wins.

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Post by Wilhelm Von Rhomboid on 10th January 2010, 1:57 pm

Ah yes that daily meat or bread? Bread or meat? conundrum...

But, as demonstrated by that most sublime of culinary artforms, the bacon sandwich, meat and bread can symbiotically co-exist in a symphony of unparalleled yummage, just like black people and white people (*) can live together in perfect harmony on an enormous piano.

(*) as long as they are not gold-digging monopods. In which case they can't.

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Post by vwalker99999 on 10th January 2010, 2:09 pm

Wilhelm Von Rhomboid wrote:unparalleled yummage

This is my new official all-time favorite phrase.... ever!

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Post by Fahrenheit on 10th January 2010, 3:17 pm

There's nothing better than a good fresh loaf of bread and some quality butter........sepecially when the bread only came out of the oven 20 mins earlier or so.

My breadmaker is one of the best things i've bought. So easy. Can also set the timer and have a fresh loaf ready for when you get up in a morning.

Our usual Sunday breakfast is home made granary tosted with smoked salmon and poached eggs. Accompanied by a good cup of coffee made on a proper commercial espresso machine with beans I roasted myself less than 3 days or so ago. Nom, nom, nom.......

Can't beat it.....bet it would rival anything of Gordon Ramsays!

It always amazed me how clean the bread maker stays.....i thought they'd be a nightmare to clean before i bought one.
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