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Post by Sparhawk on 4th November 2010, 12:15 pm

Tonight, Ch 4, 9:00

What The Green Movement Got Wrong...
A group of environmentalists across the world are challenging the movement they helped to create. They believe that in order to save the planet, humanity must embrace the very science and technology they once so stridently opposed. In this 75-minute film, these life-long diehard greens advocate radical solutions to climate change which include GM crops and nuclear energy.

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What The Green Movement Got Wrong: The Debate...
A studio debate, chaired by Channel 4 News presenter Jon Snow, to discuss the issues raised in the preceding documentary `What the Green Movement Got Wrong'.

(Write ups copied from the Daily Express web site...)

I think they are being repeated at some obscure time early on Friday morning...

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Post by Compostwoman on 4th November 2010, 12:44 pm

I suspect my BP won't stand watching them....
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Post by Sparhawk on 4th November 2010, 11:45 pm

I only managed to see part of the first prog, but what I saw made sence & I thought was well explained...


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Post by Compostwoman on 5th November 2010, 12:24 am

mm Mark Lynas? Not interested I am afraid...

And GM is actually ok? Give me strength headbang
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Post by Guest on 5th November 2010, 8:10 pm

My blood pressure survived ... but it was largely a load of cobblers. Paul wanted to watch it, so I did lots of work on the laptop while giving it an ear. Very spurious stuff from both sides that gets knocked down by other scientists who were, unfortunately, not even mentioned.

Both sides got up my nose ... but then as a founder member of Greenpeace who gave up the ghost on Green movements in general after the Brent Spar fiasco and because they confuse nuclear energy with nuclear bombs ... but let's not go there. I know I'm out on a limb with that one in this group !!!

I suppose, in the absence of Big Brother, confrontationl hogwash like this keeps the bread-n-circus folk happy ...

I'd rather read the science than watch the popular programmes.

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Post by Wilhelm Von Rhomboid on 5th November 2010, 9:24 pm

Elen Sentier wrote: and because they confuse nuclear energy with nuclear bombs ... but let's not go there. I know I'm out on a limb with that one in this group !!!

no, I'm with you there.

Sadly the truth of the matter is the greatest enemy of the Green movement has been the green movement itself.

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Post by Adrian on 5th November 2010, 9:41 pm

I gave up on the "green" movement, my focus is on sustainability these days.

Think that I will give this programme a miss and watch Big Bang theory instead ...

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Post by Guest on 5th November 2010, 11:32 pm

Badger wrote:I gave up on the "green" movement, my focus is on sustainability these days.

Think that I will give this programme a miss and watch Big Bang theory instead ...

LOL - I think you'd be on a winner doing that, Badger, both things lol!

Glad I got one member of the backing group with me, Billy, *grin* ... or I might get nuked until I glowed crylaugh
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Post by Compostwoman on 5th November 2010, 11:35 pm

I don't confuse Nuclear energy with Nuclear bombs.

I still dislike it (them) though , though and have sound scientific reasons for so doing.

But yes I have now had enough of "Greens" on the whole...I would rather be doing, than talking about it
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Post by Hairyloon on 7th November 2010, 12:05 pm

Is it worth finding on their iPlayer thing?
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Post by Chilli-head on 8th November 2010, 11:13 am

Compostwoman wrote:I don't confuse Nuclear energy with Nuclear bombs.
Does anyone really confuse the two ? On the other hand, many people may mentally associate them, which is scarcely surprising given how intimately linked their history has been. It does not help that the early nuclear reactors, whilst claimed to be built to generate electricity "too cheap to meter", were actually primarily intended to make isotopes for weapons.

still dislike it (them) though , though and have sound scientific reasons for so doing
Hmm. I still don't like the problems of nuclear. But as an EE I do believe that, unless we can radically cut usage (and I believe that will not happen, unfortunately), for the short to medium term is it nuclear or candles. Indeed, if it is left much longer it will be just candles.


But yes I have now had enough of "Greens" on the whole...I would rather be doing, than talking about it

Now that I really agree with Very Happy
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Post by mark barker on 8th November 2010, 12:22 pm

Badger wrote:

Think that I will give this programme a miss and watch Big Bang theory instead ...
Bazinga! Quite likely to be the finest prog to leave the USA!

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Post by Adrian on 8th November 2010, 12:28 pm

I have recently been compared to Sheldon, not sure if I should be flattered or insulted... Shocked

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Post by Wilhelm Von Rhomboid on 8th November 2010, 12:46 pm

Badger wrote:I have recently been compared to Sheldon, not sure if I should be flattered or insulted... Shocked

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Post by Guest on 8th November 2010, 6:44 pm

The cost of nuclear power is one of my soap box issues.

The full cycle cost is never shown, including the full cost of mining (radation sickness and radioactive slag heaps in Africa), storage, security, cleaning, desposing of waste and the complete decommisioning of the site. No way would it be cost effective...and loans at the standard interest rate (not super cheap money from the government)
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